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  1. #1
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    [Balance] T15 List

    Yop les poulets ,
    je vous met les bis normal et hm que j'ai trouvé pour le poulet a la 5.2 ,bien sûr sa reste un aperçue et sa peut changer au cours du temps .

    This is the current NORMAL BiS list for boomkins in T15N gear. Numbers and gearset have been evaluated using WrathCalcs (http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t114017-balance_wrathcalcs/), and other spreadsheets/simulations may vary. This BiS list was last updated on 08/03/13.

    Current points of debate: 1. Thunderforged pieces not currently in databases.

    Name Gem Gem Enchant Reforge
    Head Cover of the Haunted Forest Sinister Primal Diamond Smooth Sun's Radiance --- Spirit -> Crit
    Neck Passionfire Choker Smooth Sun's Radiance --- --- Spirit -> Haste
    Shoulders Shoulderwraps of the Haunted Forest Potent Vermilion Onyx Smooth Sun's Radiance Greater Crane Wing Inscription ---
    Back Deadly Glare Cape Potent Vermilion Onyx --- Enchant Cloak - Superior Intellect ---
    Chest Vestment of the Haunted Forest Potent Vermilion Onyx Smooth Sun's Radiance Piercing Wild Jade Mastery -> Crit
    Bracers Infinitely Conducting Bracers --- --- Enchant Bracer - Super Intellect Spirit -> Haste
    Gloves Anima-Ringed Fingers Smooth Sun's Radiance Piercing Wild Jade Enchant Gloves - Greater Haste Spirit -> Haste
    Belt Girdle of Night and Day Potent Vermilion Onyx Smooth Sun's Radiance Smooth Sun's Radiance Spirit -> Crit
    Pants Leggings of the Haunted Forest Smooth Sun's Radiance Piercing Wild Jade Greater Cerulean Spellthread ---
    Boots Sandals of the Starving Eye Smooth Sun's Radiance --- Enchant Boots - Pandaren's Step Spirit -> Haste
    Ring Ro'shak's Remembrance Piercing Wild Jade --- --- Mastery -> Haste
    Ring Durumu's Captive Eyeball Potent Vermilion Onyx --- --- Spirit -> Haste
    Trinket Cha-Ye's Essence of Brilliance --- --- --- ---
    Trinket Breath of the Hydra --- --- --- Haste -> Crit
    Main-Hand Torall, Rod of the Shattered Throne Potent Vermilion Onyx Smooth Sun's Radiance Enchant Weapon - Jade Spirit Spirit -> Crit
    Off-Hand Lei-Shen's Orb of Command Potent Vermilion Onyx --- Enchant Off-Hand - Major Intellect ---

    OVERALL STATS: 16340 Int, 25769 Spell power, 7292 Haste, 15863 Crit, 986 Mastery, 5082 Hit

    DPS: 168893.73

    CAPS: 18 under hit cap

    Just a few tid-bits:


    • 2x Crit is slightly above Int, meaning all red sockets should have int/crit gems and all yellow gems should have pure crit/haste gems. Blue sockets will still always have crit/spr or crit/hit. Exp/crit gems would *technically* be better for red sockets, but we really have too much spirit to contend with at this point in the expansion.
    • THIS IS A TENTATIVE LIST. IT IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE. Reforges could be better, but are fine for the moment. Enchants should remain unchanged from T14H.
    • Blizzard is unsure whether or not they'll make upgrading pieces available in 5.2. For this reason, this BiS list is now evaluated without upgrading in mind.
    • When comparing items, please use Engineering/Tailoring for comparative purposes.
    • I have not included any Thunderforged pieces that are not currently in WrathCalcs. I noticed there are some on Wowdb that have just recently been added, but I can't evaluate anything without everything available. Thus, all the pieces that are of normal quality will most likely still be BiS if their Thunderforged version exists - the only pieces that are subject to change would be currently displayed Thunderforged items, as another could beat them out due to better itemisation.


    Again, if anyone would like to contribute to this list, please post constructively and back up your post with maths! Idly arguing a point without proving yourself wont get you anywhere. Remember to use WrathCalcs, don't upgrade your gear and use Incarnation/Heart of the Wild for comparison purposes.

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    The following items I checked by applying marginal stat changes to each individual stat. Note that I have taken 1.5 Spirit/Haste = 1 Crit, and 2 Crit = 1 Int, even though WrathCalcs will say 1 Haste = 1 Crit. This is due to running a full crit build and assuming Crit will overtake Haste with multiple targets (about 1.5 ratio is what the multi-dot model of WrathCalcs said). Also note I've evaluated these using Spirit-Haste Equivalent, instead of DPS values.

    Item Comparison:

    Torall, Rod of the Shattered Throne vs. Ritual Dagger of the Mind's Eye - 1099 SHE vs. 964 SHE
    Girdle of Night and Day vs. Abandoned Zandalari Moonstrap vs. Belt of Crushed Dreams - 489 SHE vs. 457.5 SHE vs. 304.5 SHE
    Passionfire Choker vs. Soul Prism of Lei-Shen - 726 SHE vs. 518 SHE
    Lei-Shen's Orb of Command vs. Fetish of the Hydra -1899.5 SHE vs. 1789.5
    Jin'rokh's Dreamshard vs. Ro'shak's Remembrance - 495.45 SHE vs. 410 SHE

  2. #2
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    février 2013
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    This is the current BiS list for boomkins in T15H gear. Numbers and gearset have been evaluated using WrathCalcs (http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t114017-balance_wrathcalcs/), and other spreadsheets/simulations may vary. This BiS list was last updated on 08/03/13.

    *note*: this list is still tentative as of 5.2 release.

    Current points of debate: 1. haste breakpoint, 2. Thunderforged pieces not currently in databases.

    Name Gem Gem Enchant Reforge
    Head Cover of the Haunted Forest Sinister Primal Diamond Smooth Sun's Radiance --- Spirit -> Crit
    Neck Passionfire Choker Smooth Sun's Radiance --- --- Spirit -> Haste
    Shoulders Shoulderwraps of the Haunted Forest Potent Vermilion Onyx Smooth Sun's Radiance Greater Crane Wing Inscription ---
    Back Black Night Thundercloak Smooth Sun's Radiance --- Enchant Cloak - Superior Intellect Mastery -> Crit
    Chest Robes of Contagious Time Potent Vermilion Onyx Potent Vermilion Onyx x2 Enchant Chest - Glorious Stats Mastery -> Crit
    Bracers Infinitely Conducting Bracers --- --- Enchant Bracer - Super Intellect Spirit -> Haste
    Gloves Gloves of the Haunted Forest Potent Vermilion Onyx --- Enchant Gloves - Greater Haste Mastery -> Haste
    Belt Worldbender Waistband Piercing Wild Jade Piercing Wild Jade Smooth Sun's Radiance Spirit -> Haste
    Pants Leggings of the Haunted Forest Smooth Sun's Radiance Piercing Wild Jade Greater Cerulean Spellthread ---
    Boots Roots of Pain Smooth Sun's Radiance Piercing Wild Jade Enchant Boots - Pandaren's Step Mastery -> Haste
    Ring Ra-den's Evolving Signet Piercing Wild Jade --- --- Spirit -> Crit
    Ring Ro'shak's Remembrance Piercing Wild Jade --- --- Mastery -> Haste
    Trinket Cha-Ye's Essence of Brilliance --- --- --- ---
    Trinket Breath of the Hydra --- --- --- Haste -> Crit
    Main-Hand Torall, Rod of the Shattered Throne Potent Vermilion Onyx Smooth Sun's Radiance Enchant Weapon - Jade Spirit Haste -> Crit
    Off-Hand Fetish of the Hydra Piercing Wild Jade --- Enchant Off-Hand - Major Intellect Hit -> Haste

    OVERALL STATS: 18283 Int, 28351 Spell power, 8208 Haste, 16058 Crit, 2554 Mastery, 5113 Hit

    DPS: 195451.07

    CAPS: 13 over hit cap

    Just a few tid-bits:

    • 2x Crit is substantially above Int, meaning all red sockets should have int/crit gems and all yellow gems should have pure crit/haste gems. Blue sockets will still always have crit/spr or crit/hit. Exp/crit gems would *technically* be better for red sockets, but we really have too much spirit to contend with at this point in the expansion.
    • THIS IS A TENTATIVE LIST. IT IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE. Reforges could be better, but are fine for the moment. Enchants should remain unchanged from T14H.
    • Blizzard is unsure whether or not they'll make upgrading pieces available in 5.2. For this reason, this BiS list is now evaluated without upgrading in mind.
    • Please read (http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...1#post20251069) for an update on trinkets and talents.
    • When comparing items, please use Engineering/Tailoring for comparative purposes.


    Again, if anyone would like to contribute to this list, please post constructively and back up your post with maths! Idly arguing a point without proving yourself wont get you anywhere. Remember to use WrathCalcs, don't upgrade your gear and use Incarnation/Heart of the Wild for comparison purposes.

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    Anyway, feel free to comment on this as well. I'm always up for testing out anything new you guys come up with!

    Also, I must have a few transcription errors somewhere here - feel free to point them out, so others don't get confused.

  3. #3
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    février 2013
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    Merci trakteur !

  4. #4
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    Citation Envoyé par rekcsi Voir le message
    trakteur !
    Mais lol , allez tiens je suis gentil


  5. #5
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    Mais Couilles bleues, qu'est ce que tu fais ?
    ~( °_o)~

  6. #6
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    lol! pas mal

  7. #7
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    février 2013
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    Je suis Couilles Bleues c'est ce que tu pensais Trak ?

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